But they key here, and to stay on topic, is that I agree with OP (and apparently the vast majority of the playerbase does as well!) - lowsec is far too dangerous for the reward level, and between gatecamps and pirates it just doesn't add up.

Popping in to what was a pretty enjoyable thread to let you know bud that you really don't know what you're talking about when it comes to WH PVE. Sorry. Regardless of the fact you think it's all escalations in 'unkillable' carriers.

Thanks for the guide though! I will be sure to pull it up for advice the next time a new hole pops up 30s into my siege timer and T3s and Bhaalgorns start pouring through it.

Wouldn't you like to see more activity? Wouldn't you like to have more people living in the space, doing PvE, and presenting targets? Right now it's pretty desolate - you get some fw activity, and some gatecamps, but not much in the way of PvE or real activity? You wouldn't like to see a much more energetic and occupied space?

I think the problem with this logic is that it blames the individual new players as opposed to the experienced players. Can new players go to lowsec and set up shop? Of course not...it's a suicide mission. But then again the same applies to null and wormholes. Yet new players move there all the time. Why? Because corps are set up and recruit them. This is not true in lowsec...people don't set up lowsec PvE corps and recruit with them publicly. That tells me that the feeling is that lowsec PvE isn't really viable, and that the risk/reward doesn't justify creation and recruitment into lowsec corps. So it's not highsec risk aversion, it's experienced players deciding that a lowsec PvE corp just ain't worth it.

Yep - that is the one part of lowsec that has activity and recruitment...and notice that risk aversion doesn't deter highsec players from joining. The question remains why there is no similar structure for doing PvE in lowsec given the substantial awards available.

I dont go to low-sec because it costs.
Lost ship, lost implants, then mine at belts a week all items back.
I dont want to sacrifice my time, efforts and posessions to someone's fun while I left to mine asteroids.
Pleople who saying "making low-sec more fun" are hypocrites, they want more not-so-experienced players to go in so they can kill them and have fun.
You not going to make fun at my expense, nope nope nope. Fly your empty space alone.

It would make more sense to design the game so that everyone can get maximum enjoyment out of it.

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Popularity of Eve is not due to awoxxing/ganking/scamming, etc.... Some popularity is due to nullsec, much popularity is due to highsec PvE, player driven markets, etc.... The actual highsec griefer population is pretty low, a few tens of people.

That I enjoy many parts of the game keeps me playing, as I advocate changing those I feel are detrimental to the game.

Not true, I was responding to the question of why I keep playing. The vast majority of the people living in highsec would like it to be safer. That's not Veers - that's reality.

Isboxed alts of the same people. Of human people, especially consider the highsec PvE players usually have 1 account, the majority are the miner/mission runner carebears you guys so detest. And they definitely are not to attracted to Eve for ganking/awoxxing/scamming/wardeccs/theft

Because the game would absolutely collapse if highsec was for PvE, and low/null was for PvP. I mean without suicide ganking/awoxxing/wardeccs/scamming/theft Eve would absolute collapse.

"Being unprepared and putting all your eggs in one basket to make a nice juicy target for a suicide gank is the joke here, not highsec.

There are a multitude of ways to protect yourself from suicide gankers, people just automatically assume they're "safe" in highsec, then get annoyed when they lose a ship because of their own lack of spatial awareness."

"I love EVE and the core of what the game stands for. That's why I've been dedicated to it and its community for over 11 years now.

Risk vs Reward is a huge part of that.

Honestly, if that changed, and the game started to soften out and cater to those who want to have their hand held all the way through their gameplay experience, I'd rather not be working on the project regardless of how many subscribers we had, than sell out the core principles that New Eden was built on.

That's a sentiment that I hear a lot around the office, because we are all invested in what makes New Eden so compelling - The dark, gritty, hard reality beneath the pretty ships and nebulas.

EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe.

Sorry, but your scaremongering counter argument makes no sense to me and carries no weight :)"

It's the end goal of every carebear, whether they admit to it or not.

Trammel.

I'm immune cuz i stay in 1 man corp.

other players want to be in real corps and get stomped. Like awoxxing it encourages social isolation and is bad for the game.

Try to think before you post.

Huh? There is a place for high sec ganking, but not by -10s. Wardeccs are kinda useless atm and if they can't be fixed to stop curbstomping new/casual players, then ya, chuck em. Ditto for theft.

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Because the game would absolutely collapse if highsec was for PvE, and low/null was for PvP. I mean without suicide ganking/awoxxing/wardeccs/scamming/theft Eve would absolute collapse. Shocked

Game would survive if all ganking gone, doesn't mean the best thing to do is get rid of it. Use brain please.

As for CCP Falcon, I am fine with risk/reward. But given ganking highsec needs a big buff and null/whs need a huge nerf. Dump people deserved to get ganked. But empty ships should not be getting ganked. need eff punishments on -10s.

Busy playing, so short response.

Keep trying trollboy.

Because calling someone a narcissist isn't name calling. If you want to call out name calling - be consist. Don't play ISD if you are bad at it.

Edit - and CCP Falcon specifically referenced putting your eggs in 1 basket. Not empty ships.

EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe.

The better course is to stop all the name calling and then nothing needs to be proved. Unlikely Kauros will agree to that.

No time for your stupidity Remmie...suffice to say when awoxxing goes that's a pretty strong indication they exist with me and not with you.

Not interested in repsonding to the rest of your trolling - try harder.

EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe.

So why is awoxxing going? Why is tear collecting on coms frowned upon? And why has concord been buffed and ganking nerfed? Focus on facts, not opinions. Buffing freighters was a fact, etc....

Focus on facts not opinions, nice disparaging cliche there

In any rational discussion, you can't just say whatever you want and expect it to be treated as a fact. You don't seem to ever step up to meet your burden of proof.

Your argument:

*) Hisec has more people than any other sec <-- never presented any data. Also, I said people, not alts.

*) Surviving 20 seconds against a gank is hard <-- this is not even true

*) Rats in hisec are hard <-- it's a game. If you think ratting in hisec is hard, then go into F&I and start a thread

*) All PVE in null is AFK <-- not true from my experience. You never presented any data

*) Income in null is higher than in hisec <-- never presented any data

*) People in nullsec are dysfunctional <-- this is not even true. You never presented any data. We both know you actually don't know any of these people

*) More PVE deaths occur in hisec but anywhere else <-- of course it does, hisec has more people. You also never presented any data

Blah blah blah - data - blah blah blah.

Feel free to start the Pew Polling institute for Eve. No hard data exists. Thankfully we have logic and common sense...and as usual all of my points are correct.

Do you have any actual arguments, or do you just want to scream DATA and preclude any fruitful discussion?